Re: [WMASTERS] total Tamil Internet solution

["Ravindran K. Paul" <ravink@pop.jaring.my>]

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>Naa Govindasamy wrote :
>> >
>> >
>> >George Hart wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Enough of inferiority complexes, social transformations, etc. etc.
Let's
>> >> settle on a standard so we can all use it.  My suggestion: I see nothing
>> >> whatsoever wrong with Inaimathi as an interim standard until Unicode is
>> >> universally adopted (2 or 3 years?)
>> >
>> >Dear George
>> > you have all the right to suggest Inaimathi font to be the interim
>> >standard. I only found emotional attachment in your suggestion. As an
>> >academic we should go for facts. from  your mail, I understood that you
>> >are not well informed of the facts that is surrounding the  Technology
>> >which made Total Tamil Internet Solution possible on Internet. These are
>> >the facts:
>> 
>> I will add some relevant information that should also be considered.
>> 
>> The TamilNet encoding is totally proprietary to select indviduals
>> and was not allowed to be used by local Malaysian and Singapore
>> developers despite repeated requests. 
>
>Ravi,
>you are wrong. 
>As far as I am concerned, I will give permission to use TamilNet code , 
>to any organisation, who are willing to serve Tamil  on Internet.  I
>have already given permission to WinMass (http://starglobe.com.sg), a
>multi-lingual product Singapore, and to Tango (http://www.alis.com)
>another multilingual product from Canada to use TamilNet code free.
>Please check with these sites. you can download the WinMass for free.
>
>
>Even now, this copyright is
>> selectively enforced.
>> 

This is news to me. I have requested permission to use the font coding
standard even before Tamilweb was created. Based on what you say,
will Thunaivan, Murasu, Tharagai and Nalinam be given permission to
use your font coding? Or are all these developers not serving Tamil??


>> So, what is the point of all this development below in the context of
>> WMASTERS? How is this going to benefit us now??
>Ravi, the above answer is applicable here.
>
>
> In contrast,
>> Muthu's and Kalyan's fonts, and their technology is readily available to
>> everybody to use even now!!
>
>Ravi, are saying that TamilNet technology  is not readily available to
>everybody to use even now? if so, you are wrong. TamilNet - Tamilfix 
>fonts and the keyboard is freely downloadable from Ntaional University
>of Singapore and University of Pennsylvania.
>(http://irdu.nus.sg/tamilweb/howtoview.html)
>

The permission is only to browse your site. This does not include using
TamilNet on my site or creating converters to my software. Mylai and
Anjal freely allow these interconversions and use on others site without
having to obtain prior permission irrespective of their motives !!!

Even the keyboard map is that of the Tamil typewriter interface which
is readily available from others. 

>Anjal and Mylai is also cover with copy right laws.
>This potion is taken from Murasu-Anjal Notes.
>"
>You are allowed  to use this software as is for your personal use.  This
>software is a copyright of CACHE Enterprise Sdn. Bhd. Malaysia.  For
>more information on MURASU Anjal or other MURASU products, point your
>browser to http://www.murasu.com or write to cache@cache.po.my.  MURASU
>Anjal is cardware.  You need to send an email to the author at
>muthu@murasu.com."
> This potion is taken from Mylai Home page.
>"The mylai tamil font can be obtained FREE OF COST (direct
>    download on internet!) for the personal use of individuals and
>    non-profit organizations. You can download a copy of the font free
>    right from this page if you agree to the following conditions: 
>
>    1. Mylai Tamil font and its keymapping are copyright protected and
>    their ownership rests with Dr. Kalyanasundaram. Any use of the
>    font for purposes other than those listed in this page is
>    illegal."
>
>Thanks.
>Naa Govindasamy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> 
>> Further it should be noted that Muthu's and Kalyan's work has not
>> been funded by anyone and is done by individuals whose full time
>> jobs are not even remotely related to Tamil !!!
>> 
>> But, I have to agree that Inaimathi should not be the standard set now
>> as has already been explained in detail by Bala and even Muthu himself.
>> 
>> >1.  TamilNet Font encoding, from Singapore is the technology that made
>> >Total Tamil Internet solution possible, when it was officially launched
>> >in Singapore on 2 Feb 1996. (http://irdu.nus.sg/tamilweb)
>> >2.  Prior to the official launch, the prototype  of the TamilNet font
>> >was made public on Internet, when  H.E. Mr Ong Teng
>> > Cheong, President, Republic of Singapore,   launched
>> >   PoemWeb,  (http://irdu.nus.sg/poem)  on 27 October 1995.
>> >
>> >3.  TamilNet font from Singapore is the encoding that made the Total
>> >Internet solution possible for the Tamil Language. ( George, for your
>> >info, Inaimathi font came to Internet only in May 1996, that is three
>> >months after TamilNet encoding was made public on internet!)
>> >
>> > When I collaborated with Internet Research and Development Unit of NUS,
>> >to do Internet Research on Tamil Language, we aimed at the Total
>> >Internet solution. That is :
>> >1.  the technology should work in the three platforms(PC,Mac and Unix)
>> >2. the technology should be e-mailable  and
>> >3. searchable.
>> >
>> > we achieved all these when Tamilweb was officially launched on 2 Feb
>> >1996.
>> >
>> > Inaimathi came to internet 3 months later. (may 1996 -
>> >http://www.murasu.com/anjal.htm). Searchable  was only made possible,
>> >two weeks before the TamilNet97 conference. (I pointed this in one of
>> >the paper presentation session.)
>> >
>> >On Unicode:
>> > George , in Singapore , we have already implemented Unicode pages in
>> >Tamil. in six months time , the whole Sangam Literature will be
>> >available in the Unicode.
>> > Visit our Unicode page for more details.(
>> >http://www.irdu.nus.sg/tamilweb/sangam/tamil_unicode.html) we are also
>> >in the process of developing some tools for Tamil Unicode. wait for our
>> >announcement.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  I note that Apple's new file system
>> >> will be Unicode compliant and even has a language number for Tamil (14).
>> >>
>> >> So here's what I'd like to hear:
>> >>
>> >> Are there any reasons why Inaimathi is seriously flawed?  Exactly what
>> >> flaws can be fixed by a new standard?  No long rambling discourses,
please;
>> >> succinct, clear answers.
>> >>
>> >> We need to stop worrying about glyphs, spelling systems, philosophy,
caste,
>> >> etc. etc., and do something we can actually accomplish.  So how about
it?
>> >> I'd like to set a deadline of ONE WEEK for a final system.  We can
vote for
>> >> it -- anyone who has contributed a few thoughts on this forum is
eligible
>> >> to vote.  Myself, I'll vote for anything that works!  And I suggest the
>> >> Inaimathi coding because there's already a large body of stuff in it.
>> >George, you are wrong. Mylai and TamilNet font encodings have large
>> >amount of stuff. Visit http://www.kanian.com/Tamilnews
>> > to know what kind of materials available on TamilNet encodings.
>> > Whole Kambaramayanam  will be available in TamilNet & Unicode
>> >encoding, in a year time from Singapore.
>> >anbudan
>> >Naa Govindasamy
>> >
>> >
>> >  G.
>> >> Hart
>> >>
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>> Regards,
>> 
>> Ravi
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