Re: [WMASTERS] charset and grantha

[Nagarajan Chinnasamy <nagu@ncms1.cb.lucent.com>]

________________________________________________

This week's sponsors -The Asia Pacific Internet Company (APIC)
  @  Nothing Less Than A Tamil Digital Renaissance Now   @
<http://www.apic.net> Click now<mailto:info@apic.net> for instant info
________________________________________________


Anbulla Selva,

Please wait for my comments. Am very busy right now. 

anbudan,
nagu.
PS: I found your articles very sincere and educative. Thank You.


C.R. Selvakumar wrote:
> 
> ________________________________________________
> 
> This week's sponsors -The Asia Pacific Internet Company (APIC)
>   @  Nothing Less Than A Tamil Digital Renaissance Now   @
> <http://www.apic.net> Click now<mailto:info@apic.net> for instant info
> ________________________________________________
> 
>     iNaiya naNbarkaLE:
> 
>     vaNakkam.
> 
>     First I want to thank Prof. Hart, Kumar, Maa Angiah and
>     Kathir for expressing their views about one or both
>     of my two proposals about characters to be used in tamil and
>     in the context of tamil-computing.
> 
>     I know many must be very busy at this time, but
>     I would like to hear comments ( positive or negative or neutral),
>     if it would be possible, from Tamil Nadu Standardization Committee
>     members, Muthu, Dr. K. Srinivasan, Kalyan, Thiru Naa Govidasamy, Thiru
>     Anbarasan, Thiru Nagu Chinnasamy,
>     Mani Manivannan, Dr.N. Kannan of Germany, Dr. Anu, Dr. Sam
>     Swaminathan, and several others like Gopinath, Dr. Vasu Ranganathan
>     Dr. Kuppusamy(kalvi) et al.
> 
>     I've briefly described  a proposal for writing an extended
>     set of non-tamil phonemes. You can visit
>     the following URL for more details:
> 
>        http://valluvar.uwaterloo.ca/~selvakum/grantha.html
> 
>     The merit of this system is that we avoid 8 or more explicit symbols
>     but still we represent more phonemes. If we use this system even a
>     few times, I believe, we'll quickly be able to assimilate the idea.
>     When we read a word, normally we don't read all the individual
>     letters but our eyes quickly pick up 'patterns' and learn to associate
>     with the trained 'sound', so I believe, it won't take long for us
>     to learn to ignore the first pure mey in a word that helps to modify the
>     following letter etc.
> 
>     The second proposal is more conventional in the sense I've retained
>     four common grantha letters plus the sri symbol, but I've added
>     a symbol for 'fa' which looks very close to tamil 'va'. In addition
>     I've suggested a new uyir (Ekaarath thiriboli which we can call it
>     vERREkaaram, or puththEkaaram) for which I've provided two symbols.
>     This second proposal is at the URL
> 
>       http://valluvar.uwaterloo.ca/~selvakum/newtamil.html
> 
>     The drawback of the second proposal is it can not represent
>     additional phonemes like G, B , Dh, D at the beginning of a
>     word. Of course we can adopt a part of the previous proposal
>     but that would be mixing two approaches less optimally.
> 
>     Further I've provided a character table, for a start, where the
>     positions I've chosen can be changed, based on other considerations,
>     if need be. I've devoted two places for diacritical markers
>     specifically for a later needs such as  to denote other phonemes.
>     I've included greek symbol mu ( since it is used for micro meter and
>     other purposes as well), copyright symbol and registered trade mark
>     symbol. I've omitted nju, njU, ngu, ngU, but I've indicated how
>     these can be written if ever we need to use. Also I've omitted
>     the numerical symbols for 10, 100, 1000. In tamil we have symbols
>     for various fractions etc. but these are not needed today. We
>     need to move forward with some insight and also as Kumar puts it
>     with some backward compatibility.
> 
>     When you find time please give some thought and consideration.
> 
>     Thanks
> 
>     anbudan selvaa
> 
> _______________________
> @
> @The attempts by Selva is remarkable in trying to
> @write grantha characters.  On the other hand in his
> @character set he is adding another grantha (?) character
> @for fh sound.
> @
> @I really like the idea of writing the grantha by using
> @"oitham".  It will take a humongous effort to train ourselves
> @to write in that fashion.  May be new grammer rules have to
> @be built to handle these styles.
> @
> @On the other hand, having these  characters provides
> @flexibility to the language to express some sounds
> @that are not present in the system.  So what we should
> @do:  Add more grantha characters (like fh) or drop all
> @these characters and resort for "Aitham"?
> @
> @One best way is to keep these grantha characters for
> @transition in the character set and encourage people
> @to write these without grantha characters,  use alternate
> @Tamil words (Like Maa. Angiah's efforts) and eventually
> @we may one day be able to live without these extra
> @characters.  Until then, we should have them.  I always
> @expects a backward compatibility to the earlier systems
> @how so ever  falty the earlier system is.  It may be
> @hindering the development in rocket speed but will allow
> @everyone to catch-up with the development.
> @
> @Even when E.V.Ra introduced new schemes to get rid of ORNL
> @the T.N. Govt., did not phase out these ORNL over night.  They
> @allowed a time period for everyone to change and adapt to the new
> @system.  That is the way it should be.
> @
> @Kumar Mallikarjunan, Ph.D.
> _________________________________________
> 
> ________________________________________________
> 
> Sponsors/Advertisers  needed -  please email bala@tamil.net
> Check out the tamil.net web site on <http://tamil.net>
> Postings to <webmasters@tamil.net>. To unsubscribe send
> the text - unsubscribe webmasters - to majordomo@tamil.net
> ________________________________________________


________________________________________________

Sponsors/Advertisers  needed -  please email bala@tamil.net
Check out the tamil.net web site on <http://tamil.net>
Postings to <webmasters@tamil.net>. To unsubscribe send
the text - unsubscribe webmasters - to majordomo@tamil.net
________________________________________________